Yoper 3.0 Beta Tested

Yoper is a Linux Distribution that takes the best of the best and rolls it into their own 686 optimized system. They released a beta of 3.0, dubbed Blacksand, a few days ago and someone put a little bug in my ear to test it. So we downloaded the iso linked to at Distrowatch and tested it this morning. So, how did Yoper stack up?

Yoper is said to be "a high performance computer-operating system. It has been carefully optimized for PC's with either i686 or higher processor types. The binaries that come with Yoper have been built from scratch combining the original sources with the some of the best features from other Open Source Linux distributions."

They state some of it's features are:

  • The base system is built from scratch.

  • Package management via rpm and smart-pm
  • Kudzu Hardware recognition from Red Hat.
  • as well as from KNOPPIX / KANOTIX
  • Firefox and Thunderbird from Mozilla.org.
  • Hwsetup from Knoppix.
  • KDE 3.5
  • Apt tools from Debian.

The yoper iso as downloaded is a traditional install cd. When it boots, one is given the choice of installing using text-based or gui-based. I chose the gui-base. This opens a unique install environment and starts the installer. The install environment is a drastically scaled-down kde with even a kde toolbar at the top of the screen. From there I could open a konsole and start ksnapshot to get wonderful real-time screenshots of the install.

        

The installer is also rather unique. It has some features that remind of redhat's/fedora's in a way, and some others that remind of kanotix's some. I suppose it is an original tool. It walks one through the basic setup configurations and installs the system onto your hard drive. My only problem with it was it only saw the first 9 partition on each of my hard drives. This limitation put me to a disadvantage as my swap partition is located at hda11 and the desired target partition was hda25. Well, it saw an old swap at hdb7 and I installed over a system that should have an update soon that was installed on hda7. One is given the opportunity to assign a /home and /boot partition if so desired at this same screen. Click install and off it goes.

        

The system installed in about 15 minutes and asked if we should configure a bootloader or do it manually later. I chose manually later. At that point I was asked to setup a root password. After the install one is asked for their language, to setup a new root password (yep, again), and a(n) user account. This is followed by timezone settings, alsa configuration, and X config.

Upon boot one is greeted by a graphical login screen with a lovely background of red balls stamped with an uppercase Y. I logged into kde and noticed the nice wallpaper and great looking icons. What I did not get was a kicker. I opened konsole and could get it to start with no problems. After logging out and back in, kicker still did not start with the desktop. I put a link in my .kde/Autostart folder. Not the correct or even the best method probably, but it works. It appears that we are in a complete KDE 3.5.0 desktop although not all of the kde apps are in the menu. The menu update tool tried to start from the menu, but didn't. So, I'm sure there are plenty of other apps installed that are not listed in the menu.

Besides all the usual kde applications, Yoper includes Firefox 1.5, Thunderbird, gaim, amarok, juk, koffice, xchat, gftp and smart package tool. The only problems apps I found here was the kde menu updater, kb3, and xmms, which would not open. Woefully missing even from the smart repository was OpenOffice.org and mplayer.

        

They include apt and rpm in order for their smart package manager to work and it does. It works wonderfully. My only complaint is that the repository is somewhat lacking in choice of applications. However, it appears that all of gnome is offered for installation.

        

Although I complained about mplayer being missing, kaffine is present. Upon testing, kaffine was found to play mpegs and avi without issue. There were no browser plugins available, but flash installed through firefox in a few seconds.

    

Under the hood we find Xorg-6.8.2, kernel 2.6.15, and gcc-3.4.3. They state the os is optimized for 686 machines, and it really shows here. It felt light-weight, fast and care-free. Apps opened amazingly fast. Firefox opened in about 3 seconds and rendered pages in an equally impressive manner. Of course the kde apps opened instantaneously. Despite this speed, the desktop and apps seemed remarkably stable.

So, all in all I found Yoper to be a great little system and even in this early beta state offers great usability, stability and performance. It's great looking with some wonderful artwork and icons. It could use a few more apps and plugins, but overall, I liked it a lot. Yoper 3.0 is gonna be a fantastic desktop system, I can tell already. More Screenshots.


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Yoper

This is a very important release for Yoper, as it marks the transition from what was essentially a one-person (Andreas) project to a community driven distro, since Andreas seems to have moved on to Suse special projects instead. This, and the large number of changes (such as the new installer) explain the long time between releases. There might be a few rough edges at the moment, but remember this is only the first beta. I hope Yoper 3 will be a good one!

re: Yoper

Interesting tidbit! Thanks for contributing.

That would have made a great paragraph in the article. Laughing out loud

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You talk the talk, but do you waddle the waddle?

Why you can and me no?

Hw do you can install Yoper and me no? I´m using Yoper 3.0 Beta, but the graphical installation hangs on first reboot and text installation hangs on normal reboot. Me and all forum participants have the same problems. How do you resolve this? How do you use the install alternatives (text-graphic)? Have you a magical solution?

re: Why you can and me no?

Well, my first boot looked for livecd and switched to runlevel 6, but when I asked in the forum how to get around it, I was told to rm /etc/rc5.d/S99Yoper. And that fixed it.

Other notes: I do my own lilo from my gentoo install and I installed onto ext3 filesystem. So, I didn't have some of the issue I saw reported.

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You talk the talk, but do you waddle the waddle?

Thanks for the nice review

Hi,

this is TobiG one of the driving forces behind Yoper.

Some further info / correction to the review.

As you may have noticed the installer has some rough edges. Congrats that you even went successfully through.

For the upcoming weekend we will push out an updated ISO replacing the current (rather broken) BLACKSAND ISO, which will solve the installation issues. We have the fix already but want to be sure this time Eye-wink .

The default compiler for Yoper-3.0 is gcc-4.0.2 , but the kernel and all modules are compiled with gcc-3.4.3 as are some other older packages which just work more reliable using gcc-3.4.3. GCC-3.4.3 is there by default to allow custom module compilation.

The final Yoper-3.0 version will have at least kde-3.5.1 , but still xorg-6.8.2 , later versions of X will be available as updates .

If you have the time I'd like see some quick entries for the bugs you find in Yoper (not in the installer) .

regards
Tobias

re: Thanks

Thank you for the extra info.

gcc --version reported the 3.4.3. In smart, nothing showed installed. Sticking out tongue So, I went with the gcc --version. info.

Wonderful KDE news as well! That's great.

Thanks again for the input.

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You talk the talk, but do you waddle the waddle?

Will 7th generation X86 be tackled along with 686 success ?

686 is rather old in the latest technology of dual core and octo core migration path. New instruction sets of the cpus will speed up code processing much more than 686 platforms.

Sounds like the task could be taken up by the Yoper mailing lists? Easier if Prex is used, perhaps?

Just check it out

Hi,

of course you're right atang1. And in fact development for such versions has already started ( you won't see something official this year though).

But I am pretty sure Yoper supercedes standard 64bit distributions right now Smiling .

cheers

Basic consideration for 786 ?

Basically, Posix(Prex mobile phone microkernels) for hyperthreads in Intel cpus.

Mosix for clusters(multicore) and threads(hyperthreads) load balancing.

Hopefully, a crude approach with iso install script soon; then run thru some applications such as Firefox browser. Alphas do not have to be perfect, just have the Posix and Mosix there; some scripts to send packets to Firefox then soap to websites. Mosix just installs more threads or cpus, to handle higher priority of data in the old channel; then move the less priority data into the new channels(thread or cluster) which is newer and slower, may even be paused.

If Prex is installed with all the connections to Linux, file system and such; you boot into Prex and you get all the linux features. with Mosix installed it will balance the loads automatically.

Then you have tofine tune Prex for the 786 instruction sets. and you have to fine tune Mosix for thread load balancing for multicore cpus. Studying QNX will help, but last year QNX finally tackled 2 cores.

mplayer

for all those following this, MPlayer is now available in the Yoper repositories. We also have a request service via the forum www.yoper.com to allow anything you may need to be built.

Thanks for the good review!

Justin