Mandriva One - a livecd attempt

A livecd from popular Linux distribution company Mandriva hit mirrors and the press yesterday and being a Mandriva fan, I just had to test it. Unfortunately I won't be able to sing its praises this day. It was a disappointing experience from first link click to finally rebooting my machine out of it. It was based on Mandriva 2006, so I suppose I was expecting more usability. Let me recount my experience with this livecd.

I tried several mirrors, and I never could get a decent download speed. Thus explains why this review is posted so long after the announcements. Once it was finally all here, it did burn without issue. I wish I could say the same for its initial boot. As Texstar advised in his post I experienced that kernel panic upon boot. I did end up having to tear into my machine and unplug my ide1 slave drive in order for it to boot. How sad. I don't know too many people who are willing to do that every time they want to boot a system. The primary purpose of a livecd is portability. How many folks are even going to have authorization to start unplugging drives on their host systems?

At this point I still had high hopes for it. One can forgive one or two little things. However, hope began to fade fast as I saw several failed messages during boot. Upon auto-login, I was presented with an 800x600 desktop. That's just a little too conservative for my tastes. So, my first order of business was to open the Mandriva Control Center to adjust it and get a few screenshots. Unfortunately, it would not open. I ended up editing the file the old fashioned way, with vi I might add. There was no nano included.

        

This inoperative application phenomena was to become a theme. At least 1/2 of the applications in the menu did not open here. Of the ones that did, we found very old versions. OpenOffice is still at 1.1.5 and KDE is still 3.4.2. Some of the applications that would not open include mcc, scribus, planner (whatever app they associate with that menu entry), firefox, digicam, gimp, xsane, gnucash, and ~90% of the sound apps listed in the menu. This is not going well for Mandriva.

        

I had no internet connection upon boot, although a fellow tester reported that his was working upon boot. Video playback was achieved if testing mpegs, but .avis and .movs and .bins weren't supported. Kooka worked fine, as my scanner was detected, but the tv app didn't. This is one of the few distros that actually included a radio application. And to be fair to Mandriva, no distro detects my tv/radio card properly. That same fellow tester reported to me that although he chose English, many applications that did actually open, opened in a foreign language.

        

I didn't test the hard drive installer at this point. I had better luck with MandrakeMove a few years back than their current trial. They certainly need to do a lot more work to this concept for anyone to take it seriously. They probably lost 99% of their hopefuls when it shot a kernel panic at boot. Then with inoperative applications, no compiler and rpm that shot errors, I can see no purpose or use for this livecd at this time. I wish them better luck next time.

ADDENDUM: That "fellow tester" I spoke of sent in some shots of the installer and showing the unrecognized language in his menus. He states, "As you can see Firefox is in some strange language. There isn't much to their installer. Just pick a directory and start copying, no way to not select lilo or grub so I cancelled out of it as I didnt want to end up with a non-bootable system."

        

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draklive

Actually I ended up installing the draklive, (i was mostly interested in the installer) with disasterous result. I didn't want to rip my case apart, so after the first kernel panic, I booted in vmware instead, and choose the simple partitioning (it was just a virtual disk), which was successful and opted for grub on the /dev/hda after that the installer just gave up. (later I mounted the drive from the livecd and there was no /boot/grub/menu.list) I was expecting some feedback (if the bootloader installed or some error message) but nada.
It didn't occur to me at that time that the installer didn't ask for a user setup, neither for root password, I just expected the installer finish, so I rebooted. of course the HD install was unbootable.
The other thing what I found a bit scarry, that the livecd autologin into guest "that's good" but when I tried su from konsole, it went directly into root. No password. Since I didn't have any problem with my cable modem I was on the network in a few seconds, and I know from practice that guest is the first account the bad guys try...
That's might not be such a big deal I have seen in between the milliom error mesages that one of the thing the livecd successfully started is the firewall....

ikerekes

Livecd and user mentality ?

Too much Linux skills is like too many cooks spoiled the soup?

Livecd is for single user only. You change your hat as root or user. You can use SU commands too.

After cdrom is booted, livecd took over; and you should be in root or single user mode to configure all the system and setup more users if your family also use the same computer. Otherwise, you reboot into the user Linux Livecd system. You may never enter the system as root again. Because, livecd can not be corrupted. Each time you reboot, you have to do setup again, unless the distro saves the configuration for you in floppy, USB drive or multisession on your livecd disk(cdr). Or even save your computer configuration file on some portal, in some free email account that livecd can fetch for you, after booting into internet portal first. Storing configuration file in hdd is not recommanded, because livecd is built for diskless operations(cost and speed considerations first).

Sad but true, hdd lovers have too much Linux skills to use livecd. Livecd is an embedded solution which means, its firmware on your computer. It should go straight to the task you want to perform. If you need changes, you have to use virtual desktop on the internet enterprise class servers.

Footnote:
The advantage of storing configuration file on the portal is that the distro can update for you without too much fuss or bugs. Upgrading your operating system is much easier than Microsoft auto-update system. You bet, Linux being a late comer has some advantage to have a more uniform approach. It is much easier to upgrade from a portal, by a link to change to the latest operating system codes on demand. On demand is a technical term for starting and stopping anytime you need the cached code implementation service such as new drivers for new peripherals, priority reassignment on denial of service, bios change, etc..

The strange language in Firefox...

...is the Breton language.

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Well... It's a BETA version!

Bear in mind that this is a Beta version! Therefore bugs are supposed to exist, and testers are invited to report them.
http://qa.mandriva.com/enter_bug.cgi?distro_code=2006.0-one

Anyhow, many LiveCD's have been successfully produced by Mandriva in the past. The article title is wrong. Mandriva One is Live + Install, and of course, this version is Mandriva One BETA.

Enjoy!

Welcome also Mandriva chief !

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We also need contributions and sponsors. Thanks for the bug report link. How many of the famous 2200 bugs have been fixed in this beta already? Any locked down version planned?

We love to hear anything Mandrake, if you will? We love to enjoy, the opportunity from Mandriva to have us fix their bugs too. Its like a chess game with the masters. Nothing less to hone your Linux skills.

Re: Well... It's a BETA version!

peck wrote:

Bear in mind that this is a Beta version! Therefore bugs are supposed to exist!

Beta or not, they should have made sure the danged thang would boot and at least most of the apps would open before releasing it.